RE: [AquaticLife] Bio-Spira Strains

NO DORA... I'm not sure where your "theory" comes from but there is one well-known bacteria that consumes ammonia and converts it to nitrite and another that we now know about that consumes the nitrite and converts it to nitrate. You need both of these to complete the nitrogen cycle. I really do not know where you got so stuck on nitrospira as the main or only bacteria (you referred to it as "biospira" in your post but you mentioned nitrospira earlier in the same paragraph so I'm presuming you meant nitrospira). For years and/or decades, it was thought that the two nitrifying bacteria in FW aquaria were nitrosomonas for ammonia and nitrobacter for nitrite (you can still find these references in older articles about the nitrogen cycle in aquaria) but Dr. Tim's research (which I might add has been heavily peer reviewed and proven with actual working products) proved it was not nitrobacter but rather nitrosospira and nitrospira which is why the original Bio-Spira contained nitrosomonas and these other two. It worked where the other products that only contained one strain or the wrong strains did not work as advertised. I'm ending this debate with you at this point unless you come up with something new on your part as I've stated and restated the "facts" as I know them and I've given links to the actual patents and to peer reviewed science and you simply do not want to let all this knowledge in because of some perceived personality clash between you and Dr. Tim. There's that old saying about you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink and I think that's where we stand on this issue. Lenny Vasbinder Fish Blog - -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 1:59 PM To: Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Bio-Spira Strains One theory is that the other two actually die off and the nitrospira take over. Not I've studied it in any detail. But apparently the biospira is teh ingredient that makes the product fast cycling. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Lana Gibbons To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [AquaticLife] Bio-Spira Strains I wonder if the third strain is used for nitrite eating in environments where the nitrosospira is not comfortable. All microbes have a max amount of chemicals they can tolerate, what they eat and what they poo being two of the major ones. :) -Lana On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny < > wrote: > The original Bio-Spira actually had three nitrifying bacteria strains... > nitrosomonas, nitrospira and nitrosospira. You need more than one > strain to fully cycle a tank. You definitely need two strains.. one to > eat the ammonia and one to eat the nitrite so I'm not sure where the > third strain comes in but I know that the original Bio-Spira DID WORK > and I do know that a couple of the other products > DID NOT WORK. > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1398 - Release Date: 4/25/2008 2:31 PM Please DELETE this line and EVERYTHING below it when replying, thanks. , PLEASE, when you REPLY to a post, DELETE all TEXT that is NOT important to the reply & if CHANGING the TOPIC of the original message MODIFY the SUBJECT LINE -> i.e. "new subject (was re: old subject)"

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